User talk:Svip

Globetrotters
I'm sorry. Though I still believe that the Globetrotters are not humans, I accept the only evidence that exists, which is the mention you brought up. I apologize again for my baseless insistence. ProfessorBlank 20:34, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Don't worry. But I do write summaries to my edits for a reason.  But I remember listening to the commentary and they did define them as humans, who had at one point in time simply gone off to their own planet for some reason.
 * Infosphere considers the commentaries canon unless they are actually wrong (e.g. calling the whale seen in "Leela's Homeworld" Mushu, which cannot be possible as Mushu is an episode that occurs later than the events of "Leela's Homeworld").
 * Oh and, thanks for your contributions. :) --Sviptalk 20:39, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

One more thing: those anonymous edits were me forgetting to sign in. ProfessorBlank 20:51, 8 August 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps our warning on that note should be bigger and more eye catchy! --Svip 21:01, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

Vandalism and css
Thanks for reverting the vandalism on your first edit as a registered user. Also, the screenshot of your CSS is looking awesome. I've been wanting to update the look around here, so keep up the good work and we just might use it! &rarr; 11:00, 8 March 2007 (PST)
 * Oh, and do you know how to upgrade the wiki? Have you ever worked with Dreamhost-based wikis? I can do the actual upgrade, but the script-running part eludes me. --Buddy 11:05, 8 March 2007 (PST)
 * Yes yes, I have all my wikis on Dreamhost systems. And yes, I have been modifying them.  I'd gladly help.  --Svip 11:38, 8 March 2007 (PST)
 * Also, I added you to MSN, so we might talk. :o --Svip 11:40, 8 March 2007 (PST)
 * I don't have internet at home, so I almost never sign on to MSN anymore. But one of these days when I have a day off (maybe saturday or sunday), I'll do that and we can go over it and finally upgrade the Infosphere. --Buddy 11:44, 8 March 2007 (PST)
 * Certainly a good start. Not sure that the page title should be blue highlighted though. Near Death Star probably shouldn't really be the logo. - Quolnok 22:14, 8 March 2007 (PST)
 * Yes the logo should be changed to the Infosphere but I like it - Humorbot 0.4 00:10, 9 March 2007 (PST)
 * In that case, it would be nice if someone could send me a picture of it cut out, with the background being transparent (e.g. png) and not white. It took me long enough cutting the Near Death Star out, though I thought the references to Wookiepedia was funny. :< --Svip 04:31, 9 March 2007 (PST)

Yeah, that's a great skin you got there. Hopefully the new Futurama-wiki skin sometime in a near future...ama! But I have to ask... what is the program you are using on the example for your Futurama-wiki skin? --IsakBQ 06:59, 9 March 2007 (PST)
 * I am using Firefox with the Web developer toolbar, which allows you to edit any site's HTML, CSS, everything. The screenshot was taken with the Linux command import. --Svip 07:10, 9 March 2007 (PST)

In response to "Good greif! What version of MediaWiki is this?"
Special:Version - Quolnok 17:53, 23 March 2007 (PDT)
 * Then why can't I split up templates with new lines? I can do that on my own wikis and on Wikipedia.  And a lot of other wikis.
 * See the Template:Character infobox (usage) I made for what I mean it was suppose to look, but if you check the source of my user page, I must do it on one line. --Svip 18:08, 23 March 2007 (PDT)
 * Hmm, that IS odd; if we do start using infobox templates on most articles we should really figure out what's causing the difference, like you I've never seen a MediaWiki setup that DIDN'T allow the much more readable multi-line format for templates. Must be something Buddy has specifically configured, I think, since MediaWiki supports this out-of-the-box, with a default configuration... Gopher 09:44, 19 April 2007 (PDT)
 * Don't look at me. I think it's just the older, un-updated version we've got going here. I think I might be able to upgrade eventually, though. Sorry for the suckage. --Buddy 10:45, 19 April 2007 (PDT)
 * It's all good man, not everybody's a code monkey :) You really might want to concider giving server access to one of the active contributors who's more knowledgable about web programming, php/java etc, though, then you could just direct our requests and comments to them and go back to work :) Gopher 10:49, 19 April 2007 (PDT)
 * The saddest part about all this is that&mdash;depending on your definition&mdash;, I am a codemonkey of sorts. I am fluent in the latest XHTML, CSS, and SVG, yet scripting has always escaped me. I'm finally learning JS, but it's a very slow process. I'll probably never learn PHP or anything that advanced. And as for server access... They'd have to earn a pretty high level of trust before I'd be handing out access to the files that run this place. It's a scary thought, the things people could do with that access. P.S., how's your knowledge of such things? --Buddy 10:56, 19 April 2007 (PDT)


 * Good enough; I was a programmer first so I'm better at js/php than I am at css, and command lines don't phase me in the slightest. Gopher 11:06, 19 April 2007 (PDT)


 * Congratulations, you now have access to the database. Info to follow. --Buddy 11:39, 19 April 2007 (PDT)
 * I might add my skills for programming, I have been coding XHTML, CSS for years, too have I created PHP and MySQL systems for years as well. Recently I have started coding in C++, Java and other languages.  I have good understanding of the MediaWiki system, mainly because I run a couple of Wiki's myself.  And as for command lines, I am using the terminal on daily basis at home.  I know that it has large advantages over usually GUI's.  Here is some of the PHP work I have done:   And lately I have been working on a 2D engine for some game projects using SDL.  Just so we understand one another... --SvipTalk 15:06, 19 April 2007 (PDT)
 * The only SDL I know or care about is the sixth one down. That's just how I roll. ;) --24.9.202.84 13:00, 22 April 2007 (PDT)

Template:Wikipedia
Thanks for fixing it, I just typed it from memory and hadn't gotten around to testing it yet, as I was editing two other articles at the same time. Gopher 15:54, 19 April 2007 (PDT)
 * I'd also like to apologies if I sounded a bit rude in the summary... --SvipTalk 15:55, 19 April 2007 (PDT)
 * It's all good, no hard feelings; I have a very high tolerance for such things. When I started ot make the Wikpiedia template I was planning to paste one I wrote on another wiki, which is far more flexible, then I remembered it needs many features not present in this version, and just spit that out as a placeholder.
 * Since I haven't said so yet, I love the proposed css changes you've posted; I'm pretty sure Buddy agrees, so as soon as the upgrade is finished we'll get your changes made. Planning on doing the upgrade sometime this weekend, so hopefully we drop in the css changes within the week. Gopher 16:16, 19 April 2007 (PDT)

Spelling
Thanks for correcting the spelling as you can guess I'm not the greatest typer always missing out letters in words - Humorbot 0.4 13:01, 25 April 2007 (PDT)
 * I have a spell checker for Firefox. Damn, I couldn't survive without it! --SvipTalk 13:13, 25 April 2007 (PDT)

Logo
I have added a new logo proposal:, this time it consists of the Infosphere instead of the Near Death Star. --SvipTalk 18:16, 26 June 2007 (PDT)
 * Brilliant logo its better than the current one -  Humorbot 0.4  [[Image:Planet_Express_Logo.png|20px]] 08:05, 27 June 2007 (PDT)

I made it even simplier now, what you think? Got the idea from the Matt Groening Community Wiki's logo. --SvipTalk 06:28, 15 July 2007 (PDT)
 * Did some minor fixes on it: . --SvipTalk 06:38, 15 July 2007 (PDT)

Unbelievable
Great job on the i episode infoboxes I can't actually believe you've done all episodes in two days -  Humorbot 0.4   14:39, 26 November 2007 (PST)
 * What can I say? I have no life! :D  Next thing... Character infoboxes.  But not tonight though... oh dear lord no. :) But thanks for comments.  I had to have a lot of tabs opened (for production order, for broadcast order and Wikipedia for other information such as opening cartoon). --SvipTalk 14:42, 26 November 2007 (PST)
 * f we had barnstars I award one to you right now but as we don't I can't -  Humorbot 0.4  [[Image:Planet_Express_Logo.png|20px]] 14:45, 26 November 2007 (PST)

Thanks For The Edits
Svip, I wanted to thank you for cleaning up some of my entries! I am really enjoying being apart of this wiki and want to help expand the available knowledge that available to the community as best as I can!

When I create a new entry, I generally search for a related entry and copy it's formating. I've noticed that you've been standardizing my entries (thanks again) - Are there templates out there that I should be referring to, or is this all in your head?
 * Sadly, there are no templates as of right now, but I have been considering writing Standard formatting which would explain how to write any type of article. But... I guess I have been too lazy.  But maybe it is about time I did something about that.  "Protesting never works."  "You're right... I'll give it a shot!"  (also, remember to signature messages you say with --~ so we can see who wrote what) --SvipTalk 11:03, 9 January 2008 (PST)
 * Svip, there are these Help:Templates - Quolnok 16:14, 9 January 2008 (PST)
 * Thanks guys, that will help me get started Samanathon 21:17, 9 January 2008 (PST)

Comic Links?
Svip, do you know if there are links to the comics similar to the episodes, ie:

Just trying to keep everything standardized!
 * Not yet, but let me get on that task. Hold on.  I'll write back when finished.  --SvipTalk 07:31, 14 January 2008 (PST)
 * And there you go, pal. Check Template:C for more information. --SvipTalk 07:45, 14 January 2008 (PST)
 * NICE! You're awesome!! Samanathon 10:12, 14 January 2008 (PST)

Back to the Future
you should add back to the furure's vision of 2015 to your user page.Me Potter Fan 01:58, 5 February 2008 (PST)

Wikia
Hi Svip. Thanks for your comment on Buddy13's talk page. I've left a reply there. Angela 18:32, 6 February 2008 (PST)

In response to comment
Actually that wasn't me. Quolnok put that on and I just went with it. Chabby
 * Oh, how crazy. --SvipTalk 16:52, 14 April 2008 (PDT)

Thanks. I'm still getting the hang of it. Chabby

Early copy of ...Billion Backs
Didn't you also get BBS early? Lucky man. - Quolnok 08:12, 7 June 2008 (PDT)
 * We can justify luck in the manners we please. However, I advice us not to post too many images of the film before it is released.  Let us keep to content in the form of text so far.  I personally felt a bit too ahead of myself uploading the title caption image. --SvipTalk 08:55, 7 June 2008 (PDT)
 * Yes, I agree. Likewise with creating the full outline, we should hold that off too. - Quolnok 09:10, 7 June 2008 (PDT)

2008
Just to let you know, by the end of 2008, suicide booths will be proved wrong. Space Pilot 3000 --Fatt Daddy Inc. How so?Anarchy Balsac 03:30, 8 July 2008 (CEST)
 * They kind of are in development, suicide machines do exist. - Quolnok 13:02, 8 July 2008 (CEST)

T2: Judgement Day
1997. Proved wrong, if memory serves. Mukor 02:14, 8 July 2008 (CEST)

Science Fiction To Be Proved Wrong
Does The Jetsons count as a science fiction to be proved wrong? Go Bender Kid 03:22, 9 July 2008 (CEST)

"I Robot" or at least "Minority Report."--Trickymaster 20:10, 11 January 2010 (UTC)

Bender's Game DVD info
Frida Waterfall on PEEL linked it here:

http://www.peelified.com/cgi-bin/Futurama/1-005524-1/

Sorry, I'd add this myself but I'm feeling very sick at the moment.

Request
Hello, Svip. I am LAAFan on the English Wikipedia I just had a failed request for adminship there, and am looking for more experience. I was wondering if I could be a sysop on the Infosphere. Here are my stats from the English Wikipedia:


 * I have rollback rights
 * I have a triple crown (Featured article, good article, and did you know)
 * I am currently being Admin Coached.

If granted, I would help out here, ultimately for the goal of adding it to my resume for an RFA at Wikipedia. If you want proof I'm LAAFan, just ask. I hope this request can be granted.--LAAFan 20:21, 13 September 2008 (BST)
 * I do not doubt who you are. However, you may be in consideration for sysop if we ever were to obtain another.  Though, I am not seeing the need, as of right now, and personally, we'd prefer if you actually prove yourself worthy to be a sysop.  It took me the good deal of 8 months to get to the status.  So, let us see what you can do, and let me discuss with the other sysops. --SvipTalk 20:25, 13 September 2008 (BST)
 * Will do. I'll start editing here when I get a chance.--LAAFan 22:20, 13 September 2008 (BST)
 * I'd say we're okay at the moment too, not to mention that you just got here. Also, I flipped through the last couple of pages of contributions on 'kipedia and saw nothing related to Futurama knowledge, which is obviously a requirement of sysops here. (Futurama knowledge is required, editing it into other wikis is not.) - Quolnok 04:11, 14 September 2008 (BST)
 * Whatever. It appears I'm not wanted here. Have fun.--LAAFan 22:33, 14 September 2008 (BST)
 * Well, being an active member is a requirement. And it seems you just showed up to ask to be an admin, and when denied, you took your ball and went home. Not really signs of a good admin candidate. --Buddy 00:07, 15 September 2008 (BST)
 * It seems to me, that he is more the type of "administrating" rather than applying content. That could make sense on a big wiki like Wikipedia, but ours is simply too small to have members only administrating.  And if we need that, Quolnok and I are more than able and capable as it is right now.  I suggest he look for a larger wiki than ours. --SvipTalk 00:20, 15 September 2008 (BST)

Bender Bending Rodríguez
Why is Bender Bending Rodríguez protected? I thought the name debate was already resolved. -- the preceding unsigned comment was written by Unit 3.0.
 * Oh, my mistake, I forgot to unprotect it, thanks for the heads up. Should be unprotected in a bit. --SvipTalk 23:42, 14 December 2008 (UTC)

Actually
I may have recalled it wrong, but if you watch the animatic for BBS, I think Farnsworth says it has been 2 years and not 4, meaning it was expected to be released in 2005 and not 2007. That's what I recall anyway.Anarchy Balsac 23:07, 25 February 2009 (UTC)
 * I admit, that did quirk me originally. But given how work began in 2006, it would have been impossible without time travel for them to release it in 2005.  In addition to that, 3007 does appear as a year in the first film, 3009 also appears in the last film.  They clearly knew when they were expecting them.  The 2 years ago from Farnsworth could be that the company continued to function 2 years after it was cancelled as a show, and the two years off from Fry could just be another indicator that he doesn't really remember correctly.  It is odd, but I find it more likely to be purposefully rather than not. --SvipTalk 10:42, 26 February 2009 (UTC)

Merger
Hey, I just wanted make sure you're aware of my message on the Community Portal. Just take a look and leave me some feedback, thanks! Joeyaa 20:57, 8 March 2009 (UTC)

Uploading Images
I can't upload images and I don't know why. -- Neutral President [ U | T | C ]''' - I have no strong feelings one way or the other. 06:38, 21 March 2009 (UTC)
 * For "historical" reasons, we require members to have been an editor for at least 2 or 3 days (I cannot remember which exactly) before they can upload images. However, we are considering lowering it to 1 day, the intention is just to avoid people to join and then upload a lot of crap that we don't need.  Usually they are bored after a day of waiting. --SvipTalk 13:51, 21 March 2009 (UTC)

Uh oh...
Uh, Svip, we got a problem...
 * ...which has now been dealt with. He's currently blocked for a week, which should be long enough. - Quolnok 03:40, 27 April 2009 (UTC)

My account
Sorry for using yor talk page but I tell this to you because you're one of the administrators. Help! I'm TheFry! I don't know why but The Infosphere does not recognize my account. It does when I enter to my user page but in the rest of the pages it marks me as not logged in. Did I do something? I edited some pages some hours ago and now, I'm an "IP user". Please tell me what I have to do.
 * Oh, I fixed it... Oh, God... Thanks... That was odd. But now it's fixed.

Your hostility towards a new user
I don't know what your issue is, but just because I speak, spell and favor American English doesn't make me "some sort of jerk" as you asked while undoing an edit on a talk page that you weren't even involved in. Quolnok failed to provide a reference showing that there is an official Infosphere rule that that "does not permit the changing of correct English text", and his claim that "a large portion of our visitors prefer the other [British English] style" is biased and unfounded.

Facts that can't be disputed are that Futurama is an American show; written by American writers and performed by American voice actors. It is not a British, Canadian or Australian show. Therefore it is only logical that American English be used in context to the series. Second, most of the world speaks/writes American English with numbers of over 215 million (in the US only, this number doesn't include the Philippines, Puerto Rico, Guam or the US Virgin Islands) people speaking American English as a first language by far outnumbering the sum of the UK (58 mil), Canada (18 mil) and Australia (16 mil) combined. These data are empirical: they can't be disputed. Quolnok's statement is subjective, and can be disputed. Please try to realize that this doesn't make me a jerk.

I have personally been to England, and am well aware of the spelling and syntax differences that exist between the dialects of American and British English. 75.82.24.159 08:36, 27 April 2010 (CEST)
 * We have nothing against the usage of American English, however, we consider edits which only purpose is to change the English variant useless and will only result in disputes (see FAQ, Manual of Style and Rules).
 * Your argument that Futurama is an American show is perhaps... useless. It's up to the editors who contribute to the wiki to choose which English they write it and are comfortable with.  And on this wiki in particular, British and Australian English are the majority.  Your argument that the amount of American English speaking people should be any point to make as well is also questionable, I find it unlikely that any of these are potential audience.
 * So while Quolnok probably should have provided you with links (as I have), he is a Sysop, and basically what he says should be regarded as the rules of the land. So on your time this happened, we just friendly told you that such edits were discouraged and we assumed that would be the end of it, but since you continued to make the same type of edits, I assumed it was some sort of 'rebel sentiment' against rules you did not like.  That is more a type of acting like a jerk than actually contribution to a decision you do not like.  Good day. --Sviptalk 09:36, 27 April 2010 (CEST)
 * Indeed, I did fail to point to the rule, which I probably should have. Here it is. It is also true that Svip might have violated I:R in his response as well. But there's also an unwritten rule about not changing other peoples comments on talk pages except to remove vulgarities and such things. While it can only be seen by administrators, the Google Analytics data shows us that approximately 50% of people who visit the site are in the USA. This rule may seem odd, and it is a little. At the time it was introduced the active users discussed it, there was a slightly higher number of EN-UK preferring people, including the three active members of the administrative team (a US American, an Australian and a Dane). This way everyone is equally unhappy. By all means, use your favoured spelling, just don't remove the others' (the only exception being the EN-AU spelling of "gaol" for "jail", only we use that and it's falling out of favour anyway). - Quolnok 09:56, 27 April 2010 (CEST)
 * Svip, please realize that your behavior is inappropriate and uncalled for. Due to the rude and unfriendly nature of my almost immediate experiences here, I have no wish to create an account and frequent this site as I am now left with the impression that quick assumptions and name-calling are regular occurrences here, especially in light of you being in a position of authority. 75.82.24.159 10:51, 27 April 2010 (CEST)
 * I understand I may have been a bit over the top. But instead of just changing a Sysop's comment to an English you favour, you should have responded to his comment, even if your measure was to challenge the rule or demand pages describing the rule.  Since you did not do that (and you did catch me on a particular bad day to begin with (but that is no excuse)), I felt you were treating my fellow Sysop with disrespect and that actually frustrated me.
 * But you are free not to join our site if you wish. No one is forcing you in, just don't be disrespectful against a Sysop who was actually being friendly.  Then you will just get someone like me who doesn't really tolerate that sort of thing. --Sviptalk 10:56, 27 April 2010 (CEST)
 * I'm sorry to hear you had a bad day, but how does that justify name-calling? Being in a position of authority here, you should be well aware that name-calling only leads to flame wars and useless banter (such as this).


 * There are a few problems I've had with the attitudes and ideals shown to me in my short time here that I find quite disturbing. Some of the edits I made before I received Quolnok's initial message were from finding pages that included both American and British English. Scruffy's page for example, uses both the American "color" and the British "colour". When I edited that page I was merely standardizing. After doing such on Scruffy's page and few others I received a message from Quolnok which told me that I couldn't change the spelling, only to subsequently find that Quolnok reverted the edits, effectively doing the very thing that he told me I couldn't do. The double standard was quite disturbing, especially in light of it being almost immediate. On top of that, he gave me no reference, and being a new user, how was I supposed to know that he's in a position of authority (Sysop), and not simply an Anglophile who dislikes American spellings? 75.82.24.159 11:21, 27 April 2010 (CEST)


 * A few points;
 * I already apologised for the name calling. And I said my bad day was no excuse as well.  I was just providing a reason, not an excuse.
 * If your edit to the Scruffy article is so, then you should have written that in the edit summary below your edits box, to describe that you were 'merely standardising' the article. In fact, you should have said so when Quolnok addressed you.
 * There is no double standard; undoing an edit is a feature of how this wiki system works, it's to avoid things getting out of hands, as the links I provided you with would also testify, we specifically warn that such edits would indeed be reverted if not provided with a reasoning to do so. Reverting your edits was not doing what you couldn't do, but changing the article back to an earlier state.
 * In addition, Quolnok is listed in the About page, which provides you with a list of the three main active Sysops.
 * Now while I don't expect new users to know all the rules, I might expect them to check out whoever they are talking to (clicking on Quolnok's user page link would also have told you he is a Sysop). But when a Sysop tells you did something wrong, don't just ignore it, respond, even if you are right in your actions; respond.  Sysops are humans too, we make mistakes too. --Sviptalk 11:30, 27 April 2010 (CEST)
 * I'm not saying that I was "right" and that Quolnok was "wrong". I didn't state anything in the edits box as I was merely (from an American English standpoint) correcting spelling errors. Sure, I could of stated that I standardizing, but felt no need to do so. I naturally had no idea that this was as big of deal here as it apparently is. So seeing Quolnok undo my edits appeared to be a double-standard, which rubbed me the wrong way so I lost any initiative to look further in this site. 75.82.24.159 11:40, 27 April 2010 (CEST)


 * Which is why your edits had no initial consequence and Quolnok wrote to you in a friendly manner. We don't expect people to know all the rules when they are new users, but when they do accidentally break them, we inform you on that.  But if we didn't revert the edits, what point are the rules then?  I understand not writing in the edit summary, but I fail to understand not responding to Quolnok's comment and explaining what you were doing. --Sviptalk 11:45, 27 April 2010 (CEST)


 * I already explained that above: "seeing Quolnok undo my edits appeared to be a double-standard, which rubbed me the wrong way" adding that with the presumed double-standard "I lost any initiative to look further in this site." 75.82.24.159 11:50, 27 April 2010 (CEST)


 * Then there is nothing we can do, because Quolnok was doing what he was supposed to do based on what he knew. I apologise for your initial impression, but you could have explained that further on your talk page.  I assume this discussion is done, yes? --Sviptalk 11:59, 27 April 2010 (CEST)


 * My point is simply that there should have been a standardized message left giving some insight toward Quolnok's authority and the history explaining the use of spelling variations (including links to the rules) that should have been originally left on my talk page. I honestly feel that would have prevented this whole misunderstanding. 75.82.24.159 12:10, 27 April 2010 (CEST)

In closing, I'd like to say that there are nothing much we can do, as the damage is done. But I would prefer this was a lesson we could learn from, and be better at addressing new users who break this rule in the future. The I:EN link should provide a quick and simple way to the guideline in question. --Sviptalk 12:47, 28 April 2010 (CEST)

I just needed to tell you this.
I don't think I gave everyone here a good impression. I am not an asshole. Also, the talk page for Herself still exists.

BenderZombie 18:57, 22 July 2010 (CEST)


 * If you delete your history, you are doomed to repeat it. This is why the talk page is not gone. --Sviptalk 19:06, 22 July 2010 (CEST)

Just a friendly warning
SOmebody vandalized the main page. It has been changed so that the Professor is creating a one-way "fuck machine".

BenderZombie 21:03, 28 July 2010 (CEST)

Update:The perpetrator is User:Vandalist
What say you undo the damage and block the vandalist.

BenderZombie 21:08, 28 July 2010 (CEST)

Now I have erased that false information
What a filthy liar. Trying to blame me for his vandalism. I would never ever vandalize any article here. May Vandalist die a violent death and burn in Hell. He is such a pain in the ass!

BenderZombie 16:42, 29 July 2010 (CEST)


 * Don't get yourself fired up about it. It's exactly his intent.  Best thing is to ignore him. --Sviptalk 23:44, 29 July 2010 (CEST)

The Infosphere (website)
I thought it was repeated unnecessarily. So I removed it. (None of my business, I know...) --Fan Futurama 16:56 31 July 2010 (CEST)
 * Trivia != trivial. Look up the difference. --Sviptalk 17:05, 31 July 2010 (CEST)
 * LOL. Now I get it. Sorry for the trouble, Svip. --Fan Futurama 23:22 1 August 2010 (CEST)

A glitch/problem caused by your bot
http://theinfosphere.org/index.php?title=Lrrr&oldid=69041

Last night when I was going to update Lrrr, I had noticed your bot had caused the page to glitch up (as seen in the link); just thought I should inform you. Thegreyanomaly 06:32, 4 September 2010 (CEST)