Infosphere talk:Infinite Wisdom™

Infinite Wisdom?! WTF? I love it! It's awesome! Also, I personally pronounce Zoidberg's schtick as "woob woob woob". But that's just me. :D --Buddy 13:53, 22 May 2008 (PDT)
 * Well... after some careful discussions with some of my friends, we came to the conclusion that it was indeed "woop". The h in some suggestions provide a wrong w sound, the single o in some suggestions, gives a wrong vocal sound and indeed, the p has a harder edge than b, which is more similar to Zoidberg's pronunciation. --SvipTalk 14:47, 22 May 2008 (PDT)
 * Way #217 that you know you're a Nerdlinger: You have actual social discussions about how to spell the vocalizations of Dr. Zoidberg. Congratulations. ;) --Buddy 15:46, 26 May 2008 (PDT)

Rodriguez
Bender is Mexican, we all know that. His name, obviously being spanish. I am a linguist fluent in not only spanish, but 7 other world languages. Rodriguez does not need an acute accent over the "i". Some may argue that all spanish words require accents if the stress in not placed on the second from last vowel, but the rule is actually that stress must be placed on the second from last syllable. Rod-ri-guez is how his name is broken down into syllables, because the "guez" is actually two vowels creating one vowel sound, known as a dipthong. Therefore, this is a spelling error.
 * That is not a spelling mistake on our side, it appears with the acute over the i on the show. Ergo, that is the name by the makers.  While you may be correct, that still doesn't change the fact that it is how the writers writes his name. --SvipTalk 08:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * After a slight bit of research, it appears you are wrong, Rodríguez is correct. It may be incorrect Spanish by grammar, but it is a name.  And names tend to differ from common grammar rules at times, thus rendering your suggestion mute.  Interestingly, knowing so many languages, you did not consider it was irregular?  Strange... --SvipTalk 12:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I know some of you may not be entire fans of Wikipedia, so I saw to support this issue by asking native Spanish speakers, as well as non-native Spanish speakers. They all agreed that the I should have an acute above it.  Though also noted that versions without the acute appear.  But usually in non Spanish countries, where the acute isn't as easy available.  And being a linguist, I am surprised you cannot tell the difference between a diphthong and a vowel cluster.  The 'ue' in "guez" is a vowel cluster, not a diphthong, 'y' (in English) is a diphthong. --SvipTalk 19:36, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Spanish, being the most "regular" language I know [maybe a tie with Japanese] is designed, if you will, to not have irregularities. After some consideration, I realized that no native spanish speaker would agree to Rodriguez having any accent in it, normally, but seeing how it is written that way in the show, I accept that my suggestion is ill advised. I would, however, like to know where this is shown in the show. I don't remember ever seeing his name in print on the show, but I could be wrong. I was always taught that "two vowel sounds joined in one syllable to form one speech sound" [Definition from The Merriam Webster Dictionary] was the only form of vowel combinations. I did not know any classifications of diphthongs, such as vowel clusters, which is simply that... a classification of diphthong.
 * Spanish, as a language, however, Rodríguez or Rodriguez is a name, and names often fall into the category of irregularities in any language. I talked with some native Spanish speakers, they said that it did exist with the accent, but they wouldn't use it themselves.  Their suggestion was that, the accent was added by people who thought it looked better with the acute.  I suppose the writers of the show felt it looked more Spanish with the acute.  And while that is meek, it is acceptable, cause honestly, it does look Spanish, but even without the acute.
 * Oh and another thing, Spanish is not "designed", its writing system, its phonology system is. Just like French, French is very regular on phonology, not so much elsewhere, though.  But I assume where Spanish is more regular in grammar, French is more regular in writing and phonology.  In addition, the "í" is sometimes used to indicate that the I is pronounced like an "e" sound in English or [i] in IPA.  The only writing of his name I could recall just now was the Bender Bending Rodríguez Orphanium, but there it is written in full uppercase, and with no acute.  But I have seen French diacritics disappear in full uppercase, so I presumed that was the reason, a definitive answer would be his name appearing in common lowercase. --SvipTalk 00:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, spanish was created by humans, and was technically designed. It did not just appear as it is, people took time to develop what was what. It did not just appear as the phonetic language it is today. I realized how ludicrous designing a language sounded though, that's why I said "if you will" the first time... Yes it is true that accents are removed when a word is capitalized. In fact, I was told by the spanish professor I respect most that I couldn't be wrong with accents on my AP Spanish exam if I wrote in all capitals. But you are incorrect about French's regularity in writing. It's silent letters and endings make it highly irregular and inneficient compared to Spanish's "it is as it is" writing. Spanish is one of the most regular languages, having, what I have experienced to be, the least amount of exceptions in a language. Also, a common misconception is that Spanish speakers have a great knowlege of the spanish language. Most native spanish speakers actually do very poorly in spanish class because they are usually from countries that do not teach much spanish in their school systems. Most hispanic children learn spanish from their parents verbally, therefore only knowing pronounciation, not grammar, no spelling, no accents. Rodriguez having an accent on the i [there is no need to specify that it is accute, since there are only accute accents in spanish, except for the very rare umlaut] would be a simple spelling error, not an irregularity. Names are not irregular in spanish. If you can find one example of a spanish name that does not comply with the phonetic rules of spanish, please show me. Please. "a definitive answer would be his name appearing in common lowercase"... What is that even supposed to mean? Your entire argument was based upon the fact that his name appears in writing with an accent in the show at some point. Let me know where. -Knowerofthepisodes
 * First of all, while French with its silent letters and endings may seem complicated, if you know French phonology, you will know how to pronounce anything. Grammar on the other hand, a lot more tricky.  True, French may seem like a waste of letters, but it still functions.  That is my experience with French, and several other people's experience with French (trivia:  None of these people are French).
 * Secondly, an accent is a `, while an acute is ´. The common word for them is "diacritic".
 * Oh wait, after a minor bit of research, it seems that it was a grave, not an accent. But they are both accents.  Umlaut, however, is not an accent. --SvipTalk 10:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * However, I am willing to grant that Rodriguez may seem like a proper spelling. But Rodríguez originated in the 9th century, well before Spanish was close to being standardised.  And I presume a lot of people have retained the old spelling.  It's just in Danish, in 1949 we added a new letter (å) to replace the double a (aa), but some cities and names retain that spelling, e.g. Aalborg.
 * And lastly, what I meant with lowercase, was that I am fairly sure I have seen his name spelt with the acute. But I don't recall were, I only recalled the obvious spot, unfortunately, it was spelt entirely in uppercase, rendering my discovery moot.  So, if we found some location entirely in lowercase or sentence case, or whatever you call it these days, be it in an episode, or on a DVD cover or something, then it would be prove.  But as for now, everywhere I look on the Internet agrees that Bender's name is spelt with a diacritic.  So let's leave it at that. --SvipTalk 09:57, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Your claim of Rodriguez appearing as "Rodríguez" in the show is bogus and I appologize for starting a debate with someone who is willing to throw lies into their argument to back them up. I actually spoke with Bender's head when I found it in the desert in New Mexico and he said that his name is spelled without any accents. Now we are both liars and I'll leave it at THAT.-Knowerofthepisodes

Rodriguez: Break
Rodríguez is the correct form. Rodriguez is not correct. I am spanish, believe me! The syllables are Ro-drí-guez. The loudest pronounced syllable is -dri-, and so this word is named "llana". Hence, it needs an accent sign over the "i" because it is not finished by vowel, n or s.-Bender22
 * Whether you are "spanish" or not, Rodriguez is the correct spelling. You are incorrect. The rule in spanish is that an accent only needs to be placed on a vowel that needs stress other than the second from last vowel, but since 'ue' is a diphthong, it is considered one vowel, making i the second from last vowel, therefore an accent is not neccessary! Despite all of this debating, I put this to rest by advising you to look in the 2008 Futurama Wall Calendar between the months of June and July. There, is a poster of the movie "The Bendernator" starring Bender Bending Rodriguez. Written exactly like that [with only 3 capital letters, BBR] NO ACCENTS. Bender Bending Rodriguez. Thank you very much, if his name is kept as it is containing an accent, than this site is not the true infosphere but should be banned to another universe, regardless. Thank you. -Knowerofthepisodes
 * As a rule, Calendars and other mechanise are not considered reliable sources of Futurama information. So your argument remains nullified.  I am protecting this article from edits, until this can be settled with a fair prove.  That would be his name appearing on the show in a form where the accent would be required, or on one of the DVD menus.  I dunno how it is in the comics. --SvipTalk 23:24, 22 November 2008 (UTC)

May i suggest we use Infinite Wisdom™?--My leg feels funny! 23:34, 22 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Moved. Please continue discussion here. --SvipTalk 23:39, 22 November 2008 (UTC)