Talk:Bender Bending Rodriguez

Way too many alternate forms. I propose we remove ones that aren't actual, physical changes.

Vote?

Seems appropriate, although most of his modifications are indeed physical. But we can rule out clothing, for example.

I think we can rule out "Safe Bender" and similar. Objects added to his anatomy for a gag shouldn't count, either. Or we'd have to add all kinds of stuff like the plug Bending College was uploaded into, the port his harddrive/brain is in, and just about every odd thing that was in his chest cabinet.

I think we should add iObey bender. I put them in for somebody to add them if necessary.--Zoidberg 22:01, 17 January 2008 (PST)



Description, where?
I feel that the way the article looks now is a problem. Cause the description (which I have saved keeps a lot of good information), therefore I am pondering if we should make a section called "biography" or "overview" or something else and put that information in there. And then rename the current "biography" section to "story". --SvipTalk 02:37, 6 February 2008 (PST)
 * You may be right there, the biography is huge (as it should be) and the lead-in is minute. - Quolnok 03:17, 6 February 2008 (PST)

Bender Tattoo?
Anyone suggest a good episode (and time index, if you have it) to get a screencap of a nice Bender pose to be t'too'd upon one self? I've been wanting one for a while now, but I can't think of what sort of thing to do. Preferably just Bender, without his accoutrements. I.E., no beer or cigar. Although, I did have one idea of having him have a beer in one hand, a cigar in his mouth, and a laser-pistol in the other hand, and headlining it "ATF" (as in the US government bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, and Firearms), but I probably won't do that one. I could do the one from the sketch on this page, but the pose is sorta bland/lifeless. But yeah. *jiggles away* --Buddy 19:51, 10 May 2008 (PDT)
 * Two things. Maybe use the bend over pose that is used in Parasites Lost when they bend over to look at the small Planet Express Ship.  And secondly, in Futurama it is "Bureau of Tobacco, Firearms and Soft Drinks", tsk tsk.  Haven't you watched Fry and the Slurm Factory? --SvipTalk 04:14, 11 May 2008 (PDT)
 * Hmm, not a fan of tattoos myself. How much real estate shall he be taking up? I guess a shot of him raising a fist in anger or possibly even the "I'm unstoppable" pose from the pilot. Though the time code tattoo shouldn't be counted out. Admittedly they can't do the tiny binary code... - Quolnok 08:15, 11 May 2008 (PDT)
 * I'm not big on tattoos, either. It's taken me this long to finally find something that I like enough to have permanently embedded in my flesh. And I'm still not 100% sure. The real estate would be the upper right arm. If I did the time code tattoo, it'd have to be on my ass, and I'd rather be able to show off my tattoo without getting arrested. ;) --Buddy 13:34, 11 May 2008 (PDT)
 * What? Mooning is illegal in America?  And you call yourself the land of the free?!  I fart in your general direction! --SvipTalk 14:01, 11 May 2008 (PDT)
 * Land of the free, so long as you don't offend our puritan ideals. America is a country of prudes. Seriously. --Buddy 08:23, 12 May 2008 (PDT)

Bender's Age
I know the comics aren't totally canon, but they're close enough, so long as they don't disagree with show canon, right? Anyway, in the latest comic, they specify Bender's age (using carbon dating). A carny tries to guess his age, and nails it. Or would have nailed it if there wasn't time travel involved (he cheated, reading the manufacture date off of Bender's "butt-plate"), but then the Professor explains the time travel and uses carbon dating (but because that's not quick enough, changes to carbon speed-dating). He determines that Bender is 27,000 years old. I can't remember the exact number, because I forgot to bring the comic with me. Anyway, then they decide that he's way past retirement age, and then the robot death squads come to take him to the near-death star (the first robot ever taken there) but later he's rescued. Anyway, after that, they upload his memories into a new Bender unit, effectively resetting his physical age. So we could either list the age of his mind (27,000+ years) or the age of his body (<1 year). Eh? --Buddy 22:01, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Some of our fans are not going to consider it entirely canon. Not because it contradicts with the show, but I can make up plenty o' facts about Futurama that wouldn't contradict any of it, but no fans would believe in.  My point is, we still have to take caution, it is worthy to list.  Maybe a section for his age.
 * On a side note, "carbon dating" cannot be used on items from after the 1940s, since nuclear testing messed up it up. Wikipedia has the facts, but that should be listed as a goof. --SvipTalk 22:28, 25 October 2008 (UTC)
 * Read it already, I didn't put it there both because I haven't got around to it and more importantly the canon issues. Isn't Into the Wild Green Yonder supposed to involve him becoming a liquid? That can only happen when his body is really, really old. Even so, some mention in this article (not in the infobox) is needed. Also in one recent comic, the part of Bender's brain that makes him sing near magnets (inhibition unit or just the desire isn't clear) is removed; not necessarily a permanent change in that case, especially due to this new body most likely having one anyway (if one is canon, both would probably be). Also, I think that number seems a bit low; unlike the comic estimate on Hermes' age, which we use. - Quolnok 00:50, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * It does seem low. He went at least a thousand years back on each trip, and there were way more than twenty-seven Benders that started exploding. I'd say a few million is probably closer. --Buddy 03:17, 26 October 2008 (UTC)
 * I wrote the age section. Opinions? --SvipTalk 01:39, 6 November 2008 (UTC)
 * One of the few new things on the wiki I can read. I made a few minor tweaks, but it looks good. Should the fact that his legs were replaced in Hell Is Other Robots be mentioned? - Quolnok 10:16, 6 November 2008 (UTC)

Rodriguez
Bender is Mexican, we all know that. His name, obviously being spanish. I am a linguist fluent in not only spanish, but 7 other world languages. Rodriguez does not need an acute accent over the "i". Some may argue that all spanish words require accents if the stress in not placed on the second from last vowel, but the rule is actually that stress must be placed on the second from last syllable. Rod-ri-guez is how his name is broken down into syllables, because the "guez" is actually two vowels creating one vowel sound, known as a dipthong. Therefore, this is a spelling error.
 * That is not a spelling mistake on our side, it appears with the acute over the i on the show. Ergo, that is the name by the makers.  While you may be correct, that still doesn't change the fact that it is how the writers writes his name. --SvipTalk 08:45, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * After a slight bit of research, it appears you are wrong, Rodríguez is correct. It may be incorrect Spanish by grammar, but it is a name.  And names tend to differ from common grammar rules at times, thus rendering your suggestion mute.  Interestingly, knowing so many languages, you did not consider it was irregular?  Strange... --SvipTalk 12:21, 13 November 2008 (UTC)
 * I know some of you may not be entire fans of Wikipedia, so I saw to support this issue by asking native Spanish speakers, as well as non-native Spanish speakers. They all agreed that the I should have an acute above it.  Though also noted that versions without the acute appear.  But usually in non Spanish countries, where the acute isn't as easy available.  And being a linguist, I am surprised you cannot tell the difference between a diphthong and a vowel cluster.  The 'ue' in "guez" is a vowel cluster, not a diphthong, 'y' (in English) is a diphthong. --SvipTalk 19:36, 13 November 2008 (UTC)

Spanish, being the most "regular" language I know [maybe a tie with Japanese] is designed, if you will, to not have irregularities. After some consideration, I realized that no native spanish speaker would agree to Rodriguez having any accent in it, normally, but seeing how it is written that way in the show, I accept that my suggestion is ill advised. I would, however, like to know where this is shown in the show. I don't remember ever seeing his name in print on the show, but I could be wrong. I was always taught that "two vowel sounds joined in one syllable to form one speech sound" [Definition from The Merriam Webster Dictionary] was the only form of vowel combinations. I did not know any classifications of diphthongs, such as vowel clusters, which is simply that... a classification of diphthong.
 * Spanish, as a language, however, Rodríguez or Rodriguez is a name, and names often fall into the category of irregularities in any language. I talked with some native Spanish speakers, they said that it did exist with the accent, but they wouldn't use it themselves.  Their suggestion was that, the accent was added by people who thought it looked better with the acute.  I suppose the writers of the show felt it looked more Spanish with the acute.  And while that is meek, it is acceptable, cause honestly, it does look Spanish, but even without the acute.
 * Oh and another thing, Spanish is not "designed", its writing system, its phonology system is. Just like French, French is very regular on phonology, not so much elsewhere, though.  But I assume where Spanish is more regular in grammar, French is more regular in writing and phonology.  In addition, the "í" is sometimes used to indicate that the I is pronounced like an "e" sound in English or [i] in IPA.  The only writing of his name I could recall just now was the Bender Bending Rodríguez Orphanium, but there it is written in full uppercase, and with no acute.  But I have seen French diacritics disappear in full uppercase, so I presumed that was the reason, a definitive answer would be his name appearing in common lowercase. --SvipTalk 00:32, 19 November 2008 (UTC)

Actually, spanish was created by humans, and was technically designed. It did not just appear as it is, people took time to develop what was what. It did not just appear as the phonetic language it is today. I realized how ludicrous designing a language sounded though, that's why I said "if you will" the first time... Yes it is true that accents are removed when a word is capitalized. In fact, I was told by the spanish professor I respect most that I couldn't be wrong with accents on my AP Spanish exam if I wrote in all capitals. But you are incorrect about French's regularity in writing. It's silent letters and endings make it highly irregular and inneficient compared to Spanish's "it is as it is" writing. Spanish is one of the most regular languages, having, what I have experienced to be, the least amount of exceptions in a language. Also, a common misconception is that Spanish speakers have a great knowlege of the spanish language. Most native spanish speakers actually do very poorly in spanish class because they are usually from countries that do not teach much spanish in their school systems. Most hispanic children learn spanish from their parents verbally, therefore only knowing pronounciation, not grammar, no spelling, no accents. Rodriguez having an accent on the i [there is no need to specify that it is accute, since there are only accute accents in spanish, except for the very rare umlaut] would be a simple spelling error, not an irregularity. Names are not irregular in spanish. If you can find one example of a spanish name that does not comply with the phonetic rules of spanish, please show me. Please. "a definitive answer would be his name appearing in common lowercase"... What is that even supposed to mean? Your entire argument was based upon the fact that his name appears in writing with an accent in the show at some point. Let me know where. -Knowerofthepisodes
 * First of all, while French with its silent letters and endings may seem complicated, if you know French phonology, you will know how to pronounce anything. Grammar on the other hand, a lot more tricky.  True, French may seem like a waste of letters, but it still functions.  That is my experience with French, and several other people's experience with French (trivia:  None of these people are French).
 * Secondly, an accent is a `, while an acute is ´. The common word for them is "diacritic".
 * Oh wait, after a minor bit of research, it seems that it was a grave, not an accent. But they are both accents.  Umlaut, however, is not an accent. --SvipTalk 10:12, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * However, I am willing to grant that Rodriguez may seem like a proper spelling. But Rodríguez originated in the 9th century, well before Spanish was close to being standardised.  And I presume a lot of people have retained the old spelling.  It's just in Danish, in 1949 we added a new letter (å) to replace the double a (aa), but some cities and names retain that spelling, e.g. Aalborg.
 * And lastly, what I meant with lowercase, was that I am fairly sure I have seen his name spelt with the acute. But I don't recall were, I only recalled the obvious spot, unfortunately, it was spelt entirely in uppercase, rendering my discovery moot.  So, if we found some location entirely in lowercase or sentence case, or whatever you call it these days, be it in an episode, or on a DVD cover or something, then it would be prove.  But as for now, everywhere I look on the Internet agrees that Bender's name is spelt with a diacritic.  So let's leave it at that. --SvipTalk 09:57, 19 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Your claim of Rodriguez appearing as "Rodríguez" in the show is bogus and I appologize for starting a debate with someone who is willing to throw lies into their argument to back them up. I actually spoke with Bender's head when I found it in the desert in New Mexico and he said that his name is spelled without any accents. Now we are both liars and I'll leave it at THAT.-Knowerofthepisodes

Rodríguez is the correct form. Rodriguez is not correct. I am spanish, believe me! The syllables are Ro-drí-guez. The loudest pronounced syllable is -dri-, and so this word is named "llana". Hence, it needs an accent sign over the "i" because it is not finished by vowel, n or s.-Bender22