Talk:Fry family

The genetics of it all
I proposed a possible gene inheritance tree on the Roswell That Ends Well talk page (http://theinfosphere.org/Talk:Roswell_that_Ends_Well). What do y'all think? I was trying to contradict a claim that it was "genetically impossible" for Fry to be his own grandfather with a possible, highly simplified illustration of how it was genetically possible for Fry to be his own grandfather using the self-consistency principle in time travel theory. Cheers, Shoshana.

Stuff
Enos is never confirmed as a Fry, the name may come from Mildred, and therefore Minuteman is her ancestor (perhaps). It does make more sense that her baby be named for her father rather than her deceased-fiance's-father.
 * You have an excellent point, anonymous person. I shall now put to a vote whether it should be changed. Personally, I'll be abstaining, since I made the image and would probably vote to not change it, since that's more work for me -_- Buddy 13:57, 19 April 2006 (PDT)
 * Perhaps noting the possibility beside the article would suffice, either way it can't be 100% certain and the current display is generally excepted. (anonymous was me) - Quolnok 18:24, 19 April 2006 (PDT)
 * I managed to move stuff around in the image in Paint so that Mildred is listed as the Fry. So if it is decided to change it, there would be no more work for Buddy13.  I would just need to upload the new version.  I agree that the possibility should at least be noted in the article, whether we change the image or not. - ClonedWizard 22:36, 19 July 2006 (PDT)
 * See [[Media:Fry_Family_Tree_edit.jpg]] for the image that could be used - ClonedWizard 17:48, 21 July 2006 (PDT)
 * I vote firmly against this. I know the only proof we have is a gag line when Fry yells "I'll save you, dad!" or something to that effect into Enos' crotch. Lets face it, having Fry's father named Enos instead of Yancy was probably just an accidental consitancy error, but it's one the crew have already observed and provided an explanation for by skipping over Enos ("Just like me, and my grandfather, and so on..."). While we have some freedom to explain away contradictions, it's not our place to contradict cannon in order to do so, especially when there are plenty of explanations that don't require contradicting anything, the simplest being that Enos had an older brother named Yancy, who died in WWII like so many men his age). So I say leave it as it is, and warn that if it is changed, I'll bet we'll have to change it back when new content starts coming out. Gopher 18:59, 21 July 2006 (PDT)

I voted. I know I said I'd abstain, but I have [[media:Enos Fry.png|evidence]] now. Found on the same disc as Roswell that Ends Well, special features, the new Character sketches area. There are two slides of Enos, and both label him as Enos Fry (Private First Class). It's not in an episode, but it's as close to canon as I think we'll get. As for the name, in The Luck of the Fryrish, Yancy, Sr. clearly skips his father ("Like my grandfather...") because his "father" was named Enos. I don't think we even need to bother thinking about the possibility of Enos having a brother named Yancy, since the gap left was intentional. Now, on the issue of why Mildred would name her child after her dead fiance's father, it's conceivable that she had some reason to obfuscate the true father. Or maybe she really didn't know (no evidence is given that Enos and Mildred were sexually active, but she sure is forward with Fry, so who knows). It's possible (though convoluted) that she actually changed her own name to Fry and deceived the Fry family to get their financial support or something. Again, entirely speculative. But the reasons are not the issue. The issue is that the image listing Enos as a Fry is correct.
 * Well, that is enough to convince me. We're allowed to change our vote, right? - ClonedWizard 13:14, 27 July 2006 (PDT)
 * Okay, that's definate confirmation, I've removed the (now pointless) votes. - Quolnok 22:24, 29 December 2006 (PST)

Missing a Yancy Fry?
Shouldn't the graphic include another Yancy Fry as Enos' father?
 * Probably, in fact we could go back as far as Minute Man Yancy Fry, if we knew how many Yancys to put there. Most generations had been named Yancy Fry. But it would end up very cluttered. - Quolnok 22:24, 29 December 2006 (PST)
 * That's exactly why I left them out. "Just like my grandfather, and his father, and so on all the way back to Minute Man Yancy Fry, who blasted commies in the American Revolution." -- That sounds pretty close for a quote from memory and not having seen that ep for a while... Hope I did it well. Anyway, there two Frys listed there ("my grandfather and his father") that we could include, but it'd really be pointless. They'd just have question-mark portraits, and they'd add unnecessary height to the image. --Buddy 21:32, 31 December 2006 (PST)
 * No, he's right. Enos should technically be named Yancy. Enos is Fry's grandpa on his dad's side, and his dad has said that HIS father was named Yancy as well.-Jamklev 19:48, 20 September 2008 (BST)
 * No, he did not. From the transcript:
 * "Mr. Fry: Son, your name is Yancy, just like me and my grandfather and so on. All the way back to minuteman Yancy Fry, who blasted commies in the American Revolution."
 * So there. Read before you talk. --SvipTalk 20:03, 20 September 2008 (BST)

Here's your feedback!
You want feedback, American? You got it! It is good, yes yes. But uhm... why is Leela there? I mean someone suggest having her on because she was briefly married to Fry, but it was denied because that does not make them "family". And let's face it, Lars and Leela never even got married. But having Lars on seems perfectly all right. Also, if you have Leela on, you need Kif as well, and thus Amy and her family. And Leela's parents and what not! Also, I think we should make it a HTML map (which means you can click specific parts on the image) (example: ). I can write that... but I think you need to give me the ability to make HTML. --SvipTalk 17:42, 7 January 2008 (PST)
 * Oh wait, I just noticed that MediaWiki has a tag! \o/ Huzzah! --SvipTalk 17:44, 7 January 2008 (PST)
 * Adding to what I said before, if we won't allow Leela on because it being too "off" then why should Enos be on as well!? OMGOMGOMG... You know how huge this tree will be? --SvipTalk 17:46, 7 January 2008 (PST)
 * That's exactly why Leela's on there. She almost married Lars, just as Enos almost married Mildred. Although, since it is their believed family line, I suppose he has more of a claim to be on there. But I'm totally not opposed to removing Leela if we object. Though I won't be adding the Kroker Clan because this is a Fry family tree. If the scope were broader, I'd gladly add them. Although, I'm all for creating another tree for the Krokers. I've always kinda wanted to, but the motivation was too small to justify actually doing it. Requests for such, however, will be honoured. --Buddy 18:12, 7 January 2008 (PST)
 * Alternative, there could be an arrow point "out of" Leela towards the Kroker clan (with a link which would be possible with the image map). Hm, I might get on that tomorrow (which is technically today here). --SvipTalk 18:18, 7 January 2008 (PST)
 * I'll create a small Kroker tree to link. Should the spawn just be a single box? I could attempt to create dozens of boxes, but they're shown from so many angles, I'd probably end up list the same ones over and over. Yes, a single box would be best. I wonder if that storyline's ever going to come to fruition. --Buddy 18:21, 7 January 2008 (PST)
 * The new one looks good. I'd think an ex-wife is a stronger link than an ex-fiance. If she's there for Lars, she's got to be there for Fry too. An arguement could even be made to add [all current pre 1-X robots] to below Farnsworth. The Krokers might turn up, if the show lasts long enough or we jump forward in time. - Quolnok 18:31, 7 January 2008 (PST)

Color-coding
Should the connection lines be color-coded in some way? I find the small lines visually confusing, so perhaps different relationships could be color-coded. Like, marriage is one color, biological offpsring another, I know I spelled that wrong, but I'm not backspacing. Any suggestions for colors or anything similar? Remember, I can now change anything. COlors, shapes, lines, whatever. --Buddy 18:23, 7 January 2008 (PST)
 * I see your point about colours. But perhaps thick-ning the lines might help as well.  I saw sort of considering to remake the entire tree in SVG.  For two reasons; it allows for higher resolution and it is easier to change the colour/shape of an element with SVG.  Also, since SVG technically allows javascript in it, it is possible to make a dynamic one.  And yes, you can insert bitmaps into SVG.  SVG has tonnes of options.  But I am tired... and show go to bed. --SvipTalk 18:30, 7 January 2008 (PST)
 * Yes, I love SVG. And the only reason I didn't upload the straight SVG version is that I'd have to also upload all the link'd images. Which is a pain. But for anyone who wants to work on the SVG, I'd be happy to put them all in a zip file or something. Anyway, I tried thickening the lines, but it makes the arrows weird. I could try switching them out for larger arrows, see if that works. And now I'm off. Thanks everyone for the feedback. I'll make some changes and be back in a couple days. --Buddy 18:36, 7 January 2008 (PST)

Alternative (maybe interactive) tree
I am considering making a perhaps interactive tree. But since it might be interactive, it will not only be limited to Fry's tree. I am considering beginning from Planet Express itself and then use its characters. I have started to write the XML file to include it in. Right here: http://spiltirsdag.dk/~svip/futurama/characters.xml. Then I can hax a little, and make an interactive SVG image out of it. --SvipTalk 14:02, 9 January 2008 (PST)
 * Sounds good but complicated, will it be on all the pages of the PE crew or will there be a link like See Family Tree -  Humorbot 0.4  [[Image:Planet_Express_Logo.png|20px]] 14:09, 9 January 2008 (PST)

Updated again
As per some feedback, I moved it around a little to include the Fry/Leela connection. And I've doubled the resolution. Let me know if more changes are needed. --Buddy 11:35, 13 January 2008 (PST)

Bender's Game updates
I have them. And I have them all done. But the two times I brought my flashdrive over to upload them, the database was locked, and now that it's all better, I forgot my flashdrive. Dammit! My only worry was whether to use Wernstrom's pic from the movie (i.e., young Wernstrom) or use his older, more-familiar face. Other than that, it's just organizational things that I can't get feedback on until I update the actual image. --Buddy 22:18, 16 November 2008 (UTC)
 * While I know I cannot comment on your final work (I am looking forward by the way), I think you should use the young Wernstrom, because he is quite familiar, and other times in the tree (already) have you used pictures close to where "stuff happens", if you catch my ambiguity. --SvipTalk 22:39, 16 November 2008 (UTC)

yeah, i think it'll be pretty cool. but i think you should have a completely thorough one like this persons one. but make it way better with different pics and all the suggestions on the talk page for it and not a ms paint job and add the new stuff. by the way, who the hell is Njord? --My leg feels funny! 08:20, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * "...After a whirlwind fling with Icelandic supermodel Njord, Fry scored a string of top 10 hits..." - The Luck of the Fryrish. It is supposition, but it is currently the best bet. - Quolnok 09:21, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * @Scruffy: The current family tree looks rather well, compared to that one you provided.
 * Also, Quolnok, isn't it more likely that her name is spelt "Njörd"? I mean, if she is a parody of Björk. --SvipTalk 09:51, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Yes, yes. But that key isn't on my keyboard and I'm too lazy to track down the character (also I copy pasted the transcript article). - Quolnok 10:44, 17 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Get a better keymap with dead keys. I use ¨ + o.  O_O AWESOMENESS. --SvipTalk 10:54, 17 November 2008 (UTC)

Okay, I updated the image mostly. I still haven't picked a Werstrom portrait, but I think you guys agreed that it should be the younger one. (I didn't think you guys would pick up on the fact that I used the portraits from when "stuff happens"--I thought I was being subtle.) Do you think any of the other portraits should be updated? If so, suggest an ep/movie and approximate time (or time index, if you're that awesome). Feedback as always. :D --Buddy 20:42, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Note that I also updated the spelling of "Igner" as per the commentary on Bender's Game. --Buddy 20:45, 27 November 2008 (UTC)
 * Why would you need to get a younger version of Wernstrom? Mom is old in the tree. Chris of the Futurama 03:03, 29 November 2008 (UTC)

Right, so. I added Werstrom. Opinions? Thoughts? Suggestions? Ideas? Oranges? --Buddy 04:25, 3 January 2009 (UTC)
 * Oranges. Haha. Neat picture of Werstrom. Werstrom... Chris of the Futurama 18:05, 3 January 2009 (UTC)

Igner and Cubert
As of Bender's Game, it is said that Igner is the son of Prof. Farnsworth, but if that's the case, are Igner and Cubert half-brothers, or just in theory? Chris of the Futurama 01:04, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * As a clone, Cubert holds a position of either Farnsworth's son or identical* twin, but pehaps this should just be considered asexual reproduction which would eliminate the "twin" part (and they do consider themselves father-son). Igner, as a sexually reproduced son would be his brother, and sharing only one parent of Igner's two, he would consider Cubert a half brother. Likewise Cubert's parentage is only half the same as Igner's. So yes I'd say half brothers is the best description of their relationship. (other possibilities include uncle-nephew) - Quolnok 01:40, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Perhaps, but I still feel that the question whether a clone is the child of whom it has been cloned from is largely of an ethical issue, which have not been answered yet. Considering for instance, if someone decides to clone someone unrelated to their family, and having it being born in some lady.  Since a clone, would technically share the same parents as their origin's DNA's parents, that woman would thus not be the clone's biological parent.  You could suggest, that whoever is Farnsworth's parents is also Cubert's parents.  Thus making Igner his nephew. --SvipTalk 01:45, 7 December 2008 (UTC)
 * Makes sense. I wanted to know so I could try out this new family tree. Chris of the Futurama 03:12, 7 December 2008 (UTC)

Should I change it?
Back when we were on a white BG, I left the squiggly-left-out-things as a simple shape placed over the black lines, which were left intact, for my own convenience. But now, the white is clearly visible. Should I change it so the space between is transparent like the rest? Or should I change the whole thing so it's got a white BG? Or some strange compromise, with gradients and patterns and flashing lightning bolts? Thoughts? --Buddy 23:06, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * Perhaps another colour than black? Something that goes well on blue.  But yes, change it, if you keep the aspect, it will be no problem with the imagemap. --SvipTalk 23:42, 3 April 2009 (UTC)
 * White to match the text? I'll work on some ideas... --Buddy 14:49, 4 April 2009 (UTC)